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Old September 8th, 2016   #51
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We have Hijacked this thread.
It is now the Disc Brake Trivia Thread.

If you are going to interject common sense and any other weird thing upon us we will insist you start your own thread.
Damn the complications full speed ahead.

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Old May 14th, 2017   #52
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I'm thinking if I was going to simply turn the wheel around while it was out I would clear the area around the calipers, the pistons, pads, the lower fairing area, and the wheel itself, quite well.
I would look for brake dust in these areas as miles are put on.

A close look at the spokes in the wheel show rounding on the leading edge and feathering on the trailing edge.
These are not simply I Beam style spokes. There has been some effort to move what little air gets around the wheel/tire.
While air flow in the wheel center area may not at first glance look like a big deal what little air is moved would help remove brake dust from the caliper and the pistons in particular. You need the pistons clean to fully retract and a buildup of brake dust will hinder that.
Ever notice how the brake dust on your car wheels will take on a "rusty" appearance after a rain? Metallic brake pad dust. It will rust.
You are dealing with metallic pads in the ST.
The ST's pistons seem to be particularly susceptible to picking up and retaining brake dust.

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I have been off this thread for a while.

Paul's post make the most sense of any of them on this thread.

After talking with a friend who has an M109R with a front wheel that was mounted backwards at the bike shop and how there were some vibrations when he applied the front brake, I have decided not to rotate my front wheel. I have several motorcycles and don't use the ST much anymore, so I will simply wait until the tire wears out or dries out and then replace it.
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Old May 14th, 2017   #53
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I have run 42 psi all the time changed fork oil, run light, run heavy, in the heat and in the cold. tires cup as they wear. don't worry about it. the fronts wear on the sides and the rears in the middle. If it isn't doing these things you are lucky. Never had it happen differently, just got over losing sleep over it.
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Tire Cupping is all about geometry.
The bikes geometry, steering head angle, is un-adustable but it's change in angle during operation, set-up, is adjustable.
Fork oil simply speeds up (lighter weight) or slows down (heaver weight) the movement of the fork.
Spring weight is critical to set-up.
All but a very few find there is no way to get to proper suspension sag on the front end without a change in fork springs.

In-depth fork spring discussions are within this site.
All include what spring has been found "best", fork oil weight, fork oil height.
Everything needed to properly set up your suspension for you, your riding style, your gear load, and the rear end as well.
Search: Fork Spring it should point you the rear end setup as well.

Tire cupping is just not something we see on a properly set up ST.
Unless you run the evil Dunlop D220. There is no hope for these.


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ur wheel bearings will pack it in too
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I am going to disagree a little bit here about tire cupping. It is going to happen on a front tire that has tread. The more a bike leans, the more the front tire is going to cup.

The circumference and diameter of the tire is not constant. The center is larger than the edge. This leads to the tread blocks hitting and rubbing on the road surface at different speeds. The rubber stretches, squishes, and moves. The result is cupping.

Some tread patterns and some tire carcasses are more susceptible to it than others.

In my experience cupping happens. You keep riding until the tire is worn out and then you get another one. And then that tire cups too.
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O21 Bridgestone was the only tire I recall "cupping happens".
Bridgestone's fix was the 023.
They just shitcaned the 021 and skipped 022.
023's on the FJR cup, but in their defense Yamaha Happens.

I put just under a zillion miles on the 020's and never had a single one cup.
The Micheline PR4-GT is not cupping, don't expect it will either.


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***TROLL ALERT***

Please ignore Anything/Everything Echo posts on any/every subject.
Replies should be considered Feeding The Troll.
He has a 100% history of inaccurate, misleading, and dangerous postings.
New owners are his particular target.
If you have questions on any subject ST related, or any subject, by all means ask them.
There is a wealth of accurate information available on this site offered by those that know the subject.
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Stop the Troll.
On the sites main page under the St Banner you will see User CP.
This is the control panel for the sites functions at your end.
Click User CP.
Scroll down to Settings & Options.
Find Edit Ignore List.
Type in Echo
Click OK
You’re Done.

As he continues Trolling you will see that he has posted but you will not see his post, it will tell you he is on your Ignore List. Hopefully if The Troll gets no response of any kind to his postings he will get the idea his posting are not worth the time and trouble to read let along reply to and go away.
Hey! That actually works! Thanks!
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