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Old April 17th, 2014   #1
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I am going to install some HID's and I cant find a write up on removing the headlight assembly - any help
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Old April 17th, 2014   #2
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Do you have a service manual? That would be your best bet I think.
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Assuming you are working on a 1300, you need to remove the upper cowl, and the headlight housing is then held in place with 5 screws. It's not difficult, just a bit tedious.
Make sure your HID bulb capsules are in the correct place, and the tabs on the bulbs fit the odd tab locations of the housing. I had to modify my bulbs to get them to work, but it was worth the effort to be sure.

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Better would be not to install illegal, glare-producing, badly designed junk HIDs, of course. BTDT.

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If you want to be totally legal, you can retrofit your bike's headlight Assembly with HID's designed for a specific car.

For example, Larry Price used HID's from a 08 Nissan 350Z. It was quite a project but, you get a much more accurate light cutoff (which is the main gripe about just plugging in an HID conversion).

Check it out:

https://sites.google.com/site/larrys...r-hid-retrofit

BTW, this is my old GL1800 that I sold to Larry in order to get another ST1300.
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"totally legal" I'm not convinced.
You get into a lot of OEM this and that but it it fairly clear that if the vehicle, bike or car, came with Halogen putting in HID is not legal.
Getting caught and cited, a entirely different matter.
There are a lot of vehicles, bikes and cars, with obviously illegal headlight colors or covers that are not getting stopped and cited.
Retrofitting is a lot of work, delicate work.
At what point do you not retrofit but instead fit a pair of driving lights?
With driving lights you have a totally different set of regulations that could be described as much more relaxed and you always have the option of not turning them on in traffic areas.
Anyway you go proper adjustment and aim is critical.


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Ok, I'll say that its better than a conversion kit IF properly installed because you don't get the diffusion that is inherent with a conversion.

Look at how crisp and precise the beam light boundary is for the HID assembly versus stock.

You can see that Larry is meticulous in his work, making sure to align and aim the two beams very carefully.

Not everyone would do as good of a job, granted.

I had to admire their ingenuity, though.

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"totally legal" I'm not convinced.
You get into a lot of OEM this and that but it it fairly clear that if the vehicle, bike or car, came with Halogen putting in HID is not legal.
Getting caught and cited, a entirely different matter.
There are a lot of vehicles, bikes and cars, with obviously illegal headlight colors or covers that are not getting stopped and cited.
Retrofitting is a lot of work, delicate work.
At what point do you not retrofit but instead fit a pair of driving lights?
With driving lights you have a totally different set of regulations that could be described as much more relaxed and you always have the option of not turning them on in traffic areas.
Anyway you go proper adjustment and aim is critical.


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Even Larry admits that his "retrofit" is not legal. Perhaps it should be, but given the way the federal lighting regulations are drafted, it is unfortunately impossible to legally modify an existing headlamp unit. Replace in its entirety, yes, but no one manufactures such a thing AFAIK. However, if it looks "more legal", then it would in theory attract less attention.

In any case, the OP's question was related to installing a drop-in HID conversion kit, which is even less legal than Larry's valiant effort--but with good reason!

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How high off the ground is an ST1300 headlight?
Aren't auto headlights height regulated, by mandate.
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