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Old November 6th, 2012   #11
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I had the PIAA 910s, with 110W . Leave them on for a very very short interval when you are not moving down the road and the battery is flat. Excellent lighting, but I am much happier with my PIAA 600 HID lights. THey are 35 W a piece. Tremendous light. Do not be fooled by my avatar, that is a friend's bike. The upper lights are PIAA 600s the other two are Future Vision HIDs.
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Good to see you back, Paul.
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Old November 6th, 2012   #13
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Haze, Maura, for both of those lights (PIAA 600 and Hella FF50), which light did you use? The fog or driving application?
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Old November 7th, 2012   #14
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Where I grew up there are so many deer running around it would be completely unsafe to ride at night. If you had to I would recommend not exceeding 25 mph or so. My out of work friends used to supplement their families grocery budget by shooting deer from the bed of their pickup trucks using the cab as a rest. When they would swing their headlights into a field there would be hundreds of pairs of eyes.

So supplemental lighting is pretty much a moot point.

Even now living in NJ 6 miles from Philly, I have seen a wild turkey in my back yard and two deer on the roads on my morning commute home from work when I worked second shift.

As far as being more visible to other traffic, I am dubious. The idea that motorcycles are somehow not as visible as other vehicles doesnt make sense to me. If a motorist hit a child on a bicycle, would he claim "Officer the kid was riding a BICYCLE for Christs sake!"

I think not. No one puts extra lights on bicycles, skateboards and roller blades.

To me its simply a case of the motorist not paying attention. More lights arent going to change that. In 35 odd years of riding a motorcycle I havnt had another motorist "not see" me. If motorcycles really had a visibility problem I would have been in an accident by now.

The real issue is inattention and carelessness on the part of the motoring public. I dont think adding lights is going to help that.

Just my opinion!
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Old November 7th, 2012   #15
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The blue tint from the headlights comes from the "K" number.
The "K" in lighting is the color temperature designated in Kelvin.
Below 3,000 K the light will appear yellowish, incandescent light bulbs. Between 4,000 & 5,000 k is pretty much ideal for what we want on the bike, and is about normal daylight.
Once you get much above 6,500 k you start to see the blue tint. Once you get to the 10,000-12,000 range it will actually start to turn purple, bling light on the little Euro racers.
For what we do the usable light starts to drop off much at about 6,500 k and above.
I think most of the advanced lighting you see on the rally bikes are in the 4,000 - 5,000 k range with 4,300 being a popular number. This produces a very usable white light that if properly aimed is not obnoxious to oncoming traffic.

We are going to get to know Lumens in the near future, the EU adopted it several years ago. Lumens is a visible light measure.

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Old November 7th, 2012   #16
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The bikes with the BEST lights I ever had were the DL650 and DL1000. Nothing comes close although the ST13 is next in line.

I had a BMW R1100GS with full zoot aux lights state of the art in 1996. They were NOT as good as the Vstroms. They had a nice switch that beautifully controlled them very easy to use.

Lights on the Vstrom are the best.
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Visibility lighting.
A few years back on the Food/Cooking channel Alton Brown rode his BMW across the country on one series and follower the Mississippi river on another, he actually does own/ride. What I remember the most about the show was in the opening sequence he rides towards the camera from some distance away in the daylight. There was serious light on the front end of a bike not known for serious light in stock trim. As the bike got close enough to see what it was, A GS I recall, you could see the serious light was on the lower forks.
These lights were very visible. You knew it was a motorcycle coming at you but before you could make out the make/model you could see light, lots of light, coming at you. Very impressive how it stood out.

I would suspect with the buckets of money Mr. Brown makes he would be using high end lighting. Something like this:
http://www.motolight.com/motorcycle-lights

I've seen these guys in action at the IBA National Meet, you buy it they will install it. These are some serious light. Not as much about output as it is about visibility, at least on the ones I watched installed.
I'm sure they have output if that's what you want.
As with everything SERIOUS they are priced accordingly.

Look at it this way.
The average ambulance ride starts at $750.
If red stuff is involved that amount goes up exponentially.
If they work once you are saving money.

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The problem with opinions is everyone has them.

Echo, I've personally seen the difference auxiliary lighting makes as regards to other drivers reactions.

Take my HIDs or my Headlight modulators for example.

Before installing them, cars didn't see me.

After installing either of them (HIDs on my ST1300, modulator on my ST1100), cars would visibly move out of my way. That was REALLY apparent with the modulators. Drivers thought I was a cop.

I had drivers stop in parking lots to tell me my headlight was flashing. I thanked them and said, "Yes, and you noticed it, didn't you?".

So yes, lighting really does help.

Does it stop some drivers from seeing you? No, there will always be people who are just oblivious.

Does this mean you shouldn't try to make yourself more visible to others? Heck no! Go for it!

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Where I grew up there are so many deer running around it would be completely unsafe to ride at night. If you had to I would recommend not exceeding 25 mph or so. My out of work friends used to supplement their families grocery budget by shooting deer from the bed of their pickup trucks using the cab as a rest. When they would swing their headlights into a field there would be hundreds of pairs of eyes.

So supplemental lighting is pretty much a moot point.

Even now living in NJ 6 miles from Philly, I have seen a wild turkey in my back yard and two deer on the roads on my morning commute home from work when I worked second shift.

As far as being more visible to other traffic, I am dubious. The idea that motorcycles are somehow not as visible as other vehicles doesnt make sense to me. If a motorist hit a child on a bicycle, would he claim "Officer the kid was riding a BICYCLE for Christs sake!"

I think not. No one puts extra lights on bicycles, skateboards and roller blades.

To me its simply a case of the motorist not paying attention. More lights arent going to change that. In 35 odd years of riding a motorcycle I havnt had another motorist "not see" me. If motorcycles really had a visibility problem I would have been in an accident by now.

The real issue is inattention and carelessness on the part of the motoring public. I dont think adding lights is going to help that.

Just my opinion!
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Old November 7th, 2012   #19
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Ist all in how you look at it, I guess.

Do loud lights save lives?

Darwin will sort everything out!

My solution is as much as possible not to ride where other motorists are. I figure the less of them the better my odds.
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2800 Kelvin is the color of your typical household light.

3200 Kelvin is the color of your typical photo-flood light (think 300W shop light).

5500 Kelvin is the approximate color of sunlight, and is considered white.

7000 Kelvin is the has moved well away from white light to blue light.

9500 Kelvin is the color of the star Vega, extremely blue.

3800- to 4800 Kelvin is a common florescent phosphor mix range for shop lights and some OEM HID lights. But incandescent, phosphor based lights and discharge type lights can be difficult to compare.


The human eye is good at seeing greens and yellows, and pretty bad at seeing blues. Blue tint lamps reduce your ability to see at night two ways: 1) your eyes are not as sensitive to it; 2) it also kills your night vision by consuming the visual purple your eyes produce at night (there's a reason people use red light in dark areas).

Needless to say, many factors have gone into choosing a headlight color. Safety is high on the list. But like loud pipes, you still see idiots putting blue tinged lights on their vehicles. And they go cheap and buy the $80 knockoffs that at best are intended only for off-road high-beams and blind everyone with glare.

What's too funny for me, is that they pay extra for lumens then shine that extra light at the stars (anywhere but at the road they should really want to illuminate).
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