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Old October 16th, 2014   #1
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Well, Yamaha has announced the 2015 models and the FJR color this year is Liquid Graphite. That means Dark Charcoal Gray.

This may, no this has caused some issues with the ST1300. I may be moving to a Yamaha.
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Because of the color?! Whats new for the FJR for 15? Whats it got that the ST doesnt?

Those type mirrors dont look as good as the ST ones.
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Because of the color?! Whats new for the FJR for 15? Whats it got that the ST doesnt?
Not much really.

Cruise Control
Traction Control
Electronic Suspension
Heated Grips
ABS
LED turn signals
Excellent heat management
Standardized Tire Sizes
Warranty


And most importantly, excitement. Excitement is good.
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Yes excitement.

No linked brakes?
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Not much really.

Cruise Control
Traction Control
Electronic Suspension
Heated Grips
ABS
LED turn signals
Excellent heat management
Standardized Tire Sizes
Warranty


And most importantly, excitement. Excitement is good.

And you might want to add.
All at a price the ST has never seen.

From it's inception the FJR has been less expensive that the ST while under almost continual refinement, in the decade since it's release it is currently on it's third generation.
There has been bumps along the way but Yamaha handled them well for the most part.

As the Sport Touring market stands today the FJR is the leader simply because they outright stole a market Honda owned and by every indication has abandoned.


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Hondas got some pretty freaky bikes in its lineup based on the old st13.
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I'm with ya. If I had the coin right now, I'd jump ship to the FJR. Don't get me wrong, I love the ST, but a few more bells and whistles would be nice.
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The thing is...is it Yamaha or is it Honda that is pointing the way to the future here? Sure the FJR is what people like us want but what if it doesn't sell? What if young people by Hondas that look like sneaky rats? Suppose Yamaha goes out of business selling FJRs?

Are we all dinosaurs all of a sudden?
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Yamaha does not make their money selling FJRs. They make their money by selling what the public asks for, a look at their 2015 line up will show that.

I am betting that the new R3 is going to be a hot selling bike. The FZ-09 and the FZ-07 are both leaving scorch marks on the sales floor they are going out the door so fast.

Meanwhile, Honda seems to have the attitude that we will do what THEY want us to do. I don't like that. I will vote with my wallet.
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I would not worry about Yamaha going out of business.
The corporate symbol is a tuning fork for a reason.
Among their other ventures Yamaha manufactures the finest concert piano on the planet to go along with a wide array of other highly thought of musical instruments.
The motorcycle end of the business has always seen it's ups and downs.
Twenty years ago it was almost a contest between Yamaha and Suzuki as to which one would be first to close up shop. Yamaha saw the writing on the wall and started several new lines that sold/sell well, Yamaha actually makes a better Harley than Harley sold under the Star brand it has push rods and all.

The industry keeps good records on who is selling what and like the product or not, or the way they actually sell it, Harley out sells the rest.
The cruiser is king of sales. You want to bump your sales you produce cruisers. The all do it. The big four all produce a line of cruisers some all the way down to the 250cc range, it has been smaller than that in the past. They all sell surprising well, some better than others but the big four do own a piece of the pie even if it is a small piece. You will not out market Harley's propaganda machine even if they stretch the truth beyond reasonable limits.

Both versions of the ST have enjoyed long production cycles, fairly unusual in the American market considering both versions were in a niche segment.
At the ST's very core is it's engine and that engine is still in production. If we see the police model sales drop and the CTX sales flop the chance of ever seeing another ST drops dramatically, if the engine goes out of production the ST it truly dead. CTX sales just might be the key to the ST's future. If Honda can move this thing in numbers to keep production up and expanding it won't take long for the market to produce a full touring version and that version could be a new ST Light to start. Dump the aluminum chassis, like the CTX, lighten it up, separate it in both form and function from the Goldwing and poke it at the market again.
But first we need to see Honda stop trying to out Harley Harley and that is going to be the hard part.


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