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View Poll Results: How do you fill your tank with gas?
I put my ST up on its centerstand. 39 42.86%
I put my ST on its sidestand. 53 58.24%
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Old January 27th, 2017   #111
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Oh yes I will.
Not likely.
ST-Riders has a reputation of serious subject knowledge and accurate information.
Spotting your trolling ass would be easy.

As with BMW and ST-O you will not find much in the way of support at The List.
The end result will put you in the Trifecta Zone, Banned, Banned, Banned.


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Old January 27th, 2017   #112
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But... I'm on ST O.

I'd be on BMWBMW too but now you have to be from the area.

BMWBMW banned me for daring to report the problems I was having with my R11GS and F650GS.

Read their site now and see if they have problems...
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Old January 27th, 2017   #113
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Move back to ST-O and regale them with your Alternative Facts.
They will show you great respect and admiration for your knowledge of the ST finer points.


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Old January 28th, 2017   #114
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My suggestion to prevent problems is LISTEN TO echo!
Don't you ever maybe wonder why this site is quiet. Possibly and probably due to the impending demise of the Pan but in my opinion you must have chased a lot of people away with your childish shit.

I look in here for bikey type info, help and entertainment but I really cant be bothered with this site while you post here, It's too frustrating.

Others feel this as well, why not grow up.
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Old January 28th, 2017   #115
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Don't you ever maybe wonder why this site is quiet. Possibly and probably due to the impending demise of the Pan but in my opinion you must have chased a lot of people away with your childish shit.

I look in here for bikey type info, help and entertainment but I really cant be bothered with this site while you post here, It's too frustrating.

Others feel this as well, why not grow up.
Childish? Moi? I only speak the truth. The problem is, motorcycle owners cant stand criticism of their machines. They have great emotional attachment to them. Look at the BMW. Its a rolling junkpile of problems! Yet people keep buying them. And paying their prices. By doing that they just enable BMW to continue making quality control nightmares.

WHen I (half in jest) suggested we stop buying them until BMW got its act together....that was it for me at BMWBMW!
Well, they have their uber machines now and I wish them all the luck with them.

The reason sites like this one are declining is young people cant afford machines like the ST13 and us old men are dying off or too decrepit to ride. The owners are going away. Honda is bringing out smaller and cheaper machines for the next generation of young riders coming up.

Not that theyre cheap compared to the price of bikes in our day!
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Childish? Moi? I only speak the truth. The problem is, motorcycle owners cant stand criticism of their machines. They have great emotional attachment to them. Look at the BMW. Its a rolling junkpile of problems! Yet people keep buying them. And paying their prices. By doing that they just enable BMW to continue making quality control nightmares.

WHen I (half in jest) suggested we stop buying them until BMW got its act together....that was it for me at BMWBMW!
Well, they have their uber machines now and I wish them all the luck with them.

The reason sites like this one are declining is young people cant afford machines like the ST13 and us old men are dying off or too decrepit to ride. The owners are going away. Honda is bringing out smaller and cheaper machines for the next generation of young riders coming up.

Not that theyre cheap compared to the price of bikes in our day!
What a desperate pile of babble to try to incite response.
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Old January 28th, 2017   #117
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Rubbish.
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Childish? Moi? I only speak the truth. The problem is, motorcycle owners cant stand criticism of their machines. They have great emotional attachment to them. Look at the BMW. Its a rolling junkpile of problems! Yet people keep buying them. And paying their prices. By doing that they just enable BMW to continue making quality control nightmares.

WHen I (half in jest) suggested we stop buying them until BMW got its act together....that was it for me at BMWBMW!
Well, they have their uber machines now and I wish them all the luck with them.

The reason sites like this one are declining is young people cant afford machines like the ST13 and us old men are dying off or too decrepit to ride. The owners are going away. Honda is bringing out smaller and cheaper machines for the next generation of young riders coming up.

Not that theyre cheap compared to the price of bikes in our day!

Let's talk a few facts. Facts actual true statements backed by The Truth.

BMW
BMW is going through it's longest string of Record Sales in U.S. since the company has sold motorcycles in the U.S..
Record quarter after record quarter for the last 6 years.
Six years puts them well within the highly overstated "problem" period they had with their rear drive on a grand total of two models.
A Problem - Nowhere a problem.
The GS series is worldwide, every market, the best selling model in their history.

The ST
Cost? You can't be serious.
How do you explain Harley being the largest seller in the U.S.?
Just over half of every, large diameter 750cc and above, street bike sold in the U.S. is a Harley.
Can't afford one? Harley has models rolling off the showroom floor in record numbers that are the most expensive bikes in the companies history and as much a $10,000 more than models offered by the big four Japanese companies.
The ST since it's inception has always been aimed at a narrow target market.
It did well enough to continue it's production, no competition helped, but it has never been a sales leader.
Competition entered the target market, Yamaha being the main and biggest threat, and flat out-right took sales from Honda.
Rather than compete in a narrow market with limited sales Honda simple withdrew first from the U.S. market and I will not be surprised to see a world market withdraw in the relevantly near future.
Replacement will almost assuredly be a smaller cc bike.
The ST wanders dangerously close to the Goldwings market and Honda will go to extremes to protect the Wings Turf.
Withdraw is reasonable if your looking to protect the flagship of touring.


The sales records of "The Fringe" Ducati, Triumph, Aprilia even, are quite impressive with record sales quarter after quarter exceeding each other.
The motorcycle market is in good to great shape world wide with the only exception being the U.S..
Those that ride and buy in the U.S. are enthusiast's and always will be.
The U.S. is not a motorcycle country. Never has been, Never will be.
Small CC bikes dominate the world market with millions of 250-500cc, smaller CC bikes do even better, dominating sales each and every year.
Except for the U.S. market.
Not even $5.00 a gallon gasoline will move U.S. sales anywhere near major product movement, Ever.


The bottom line.
Stick to actual, factual, data widely available and give up your reliance on Alternative Facts and fault ridden opinion.


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Old January 28th, 2017   #119
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Rubbish.
That word describe accurately the majority of your post . . . " rubbish " and thread polluting is your , once again

Wonder why You did not troll this thread in 2010 when it first started

You should had been banned from a long time ago . . .

Oh . . . do not bother to quote me echo , I will not respond to your

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Wonder why You did not troll this thread in 2010 when it first started

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I take every opportunity I can to inform others (who might be considering an ST or don't work on their bikes/understand how they work) of potential hazards/items of interest about these machines.
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