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Old April 26th, 2013   #11
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I keep my topbox stuff at a minimum, so I have room for my helmet and GPS.

Oh, yeah, and room for peanut butter cookies (survival food).
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Old April 26th, 2013   #12
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According to the owner's manual, the rear rack can hold 4.5 kg/ 10 pounds. The passenger seat can hold well over 100 lbs, obviously. The weight of the givi maxia e55 is itself 10.14 pounds. I would not be surprised if the hondaline weighs more. In conventional hardshell luggage, the most expensive superlightweight come in at around 8 pounds.

I find the topbox very useful for securing my stuff (tankbag and helmet) when I am off the bike, but I feel, and am apparently supported by Honda, it cannot be packed full of stuff for travel. Ligito, 2 or 3 cookies, max.

Gee, maybe there is a good reason they never sold the honda top box in North America.
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According to my highly accurate and dust free bathroom scale the Genuine Hondaline Pan European Top Case weighs in at 12 pounds.
This weight includes the nicely embroidered carpet and the original key.

Pelican 1550 9 pounds. In High Speed Gray.

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According to the owner's manual, the rear rack can hold 4.5 kg/ 10 pounds. The passenger seat can hold well over 100 lbs, obviously. The weight of the givi maxia e55 is itself 10.14 pounds. I would not be surprised if the hondaline weighs more. In conventional hardshell luggage, the most expensive superlightweight come in at around 8 pounds.

I find the topbox very useful for securing my stuff (tankbag and helmet) when I am off the bike, but I feel, and am apparently supported by Honda, it cannot be packed full of stuff for travel. Ligito, 2 or 3 cookies, max.

Gee, maybe there is a good reason they never sold the honda top box in North America.
Because of riders like me that are in excess of 255 Lbs + riding gear and
3 peanut butter cookies. That's just not right, the cookies come 2 to a package and I carry more like 6 packages. Have to keep the blood sugar up, so I don't trigger a migraine.
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My Hondaline top box is very useful for carrying a 24 pack of beer. Fits perfectly. My bike is used as a pantry on the European trips I organise. Apparently I am not allowed to put heavy beer in the top box but since I retired from LE, I sort of stopped following the rule book and, so far, I have survived the anarchy that is said to result from that.

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According to my highly accurate and dust free bathroom scale the Genuine Hondaline Pan European Top Case weighs in at 12 pounds.
This weight includes the nicely embroidered carpet and the original key.

Pelican 1550 9 pounds. In High Speed Gray.

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Good info, Paul. Since the weight of any box pretty much covers Honda's recommended limit, I am just advising caution. Honda's limit is what it is, but is to me anyway), a ridiculous level of caution.

Around town, trips less than 100 km or so , I have overloaded it mightily, with things like masonry samples. DickPeake, your modest beer cargo would not even come close

On extended tours , I have also overloaded it, but try to restrain myself. I shudder in fear of reopening the pan weave issue, but when I overload it, I try to keep my speed down to maybe 120 kph where speed limits permit on USA good pavement. On a trip where anything might happen in the way of roads or off road, I try to keep it empty.

Overloading, then embarking on extended unpaved road tours seems like 'not a good idea'. On last year's trip to Mexico, which included many unpaved roads and many massive, evil topes (speed bumps from hell) I kept it pretty much empty , utilizing it for security purposes. Oddly, the only things stolen from me in MX were ST1300 decals and my City of Vancouver parking decal, for which I was charged $60 replacement fee. That resulted in a circle of bureaucratic hell that I have not yet recovered from, and has made me a pariah in the parking decal office. Forgive the digression, back to the top box.

Yes there are strict limits, but they require the application of judgement and intelligence when you exceed them. I am just saying, just because a top box fits, and can be stuffed full of crap, does not mean you can do so with impunity. Dick, my friend , it appears you have good judgment and the requisite intelligence so your loading with precious cargo on the fine roads of Europa causes no concern, but I have a dear friend who has broken the frame of his FJR with an overloaded topbox, so I am just offering a note of caution to those who may overload with insouciant abandon, and trying to provide an answer to the original poster, who queried the useful of the top box.
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Taking the topic way off track but the value of this information is well worth the trip.

Around these parts we no longer sell the 24 can case of beer.
To cut down on travel time and limit drunken expeditions we now sell the convenient 30 can case called a Brick because of it's shape and what you will be hit with after tangling.
In a design clearly with the ST's trunk weight limitations in mind The Brick will not fit in the top box, to tall in every direction.

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Yes there are strict limits, but they require the application of judgement and intelligence when you exceed them. I am just saying, just because a top box fits, and can be stuffed full of crap, does not mean you can do so with impunity. Dick, my friend , it appears you have good judgment and the requisite intelligence so your loading with precious cargo on the fine roads of Europa causes no concern, but I have a dear friend who has broken the frame of his FJR with an overloaded topbox, so I am just offering a note of caution to those who may overload with insouciant abandon, and trying to provide an answer to the original poster, who queried the useful of the top box.
Usefulness of the top box? Here's another perspective from the UK. Last year, I escorted a bunch from my local motorcycle club on a day trip to Lincoln (a beautiful little city, full of character).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln,_England

It was a hot day, full sun, and in full leathers it was a little uncomfortable. I knew where to park so I escorted my bunch in. Then, whilst they were all fiddling about, using chains to lock their crash helmets to the bikes, I had my topbox open. When they all finished fiddling around and looked round at me, I was dressed in a light shirt, shorts and sandals. My leathers, gloves and helmet were locked away in the topbox and panniers. There is no way anyone in Lincoln would have known I'd arrived on a motorcycle. I had a very pleasant and cool day. My compatriots always looked a little hot and sweaty, even the ladies! So, discounting the loading allowance, an empty top box on arrival at destination can be very useful indeed.
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Good info, Paul. Since the weight of any box pretty much covers Honda's recommended limit, I am just advising caution. Honda's limit is what it is, but is to me anyway), a ridiculous level of caution.

Around town, trips less than 100 km or so , I have overloaded it mightily, with things like masonry samples. DickPeake, your modest beer cargo would not even come close

On extended tours , I have also overloaded it, but try to restrain myself. I shudder in fear of reopening the pan weave issue, but when I overload it, I try to keep my speed down to maybe 120 kph where speed limits permit on USA good pavement. On a trip where anything might happen in the way of roads or off road, I try to keep it empty.

Overloading, then embarking on extended unpaved road tours seems like 'not a good idea'. On last year's trip to Mexico, which included many unpaved roads and many massive, evil topes (speed bumps from hell) I kept it pretty much empty , utilizing it for security purposes. Oddly, the only things stolen from me in MX were ST1300 decals and my City of Vancouver parking decal, for which I was charged $60 replacement fee. That resulted in a circle of bureaucratic hell that I have not yet recovered from, and has made me a pariah in the parking decal office. Forgive the digression, back to the top box.

Yes there are strict limits, but they require the application of judgement and intelligence when you exceed them. I am just saying, just because a top box fits, and can be stuffed full of crap, does not mean you can do so with impunity. Dick, my friend , it appears you have good judgment and the requisite intelligence so your loading with precious cargo on the fine roads of Europa causes no concern, but I have a dear friend who has broken the frame of his FJR with an overloaded topbox, so I am just offering a note of caution to those who may overload with insouciant abandon, and trying to provide an answer to the original poster, who queried the useful of the top box.
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